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Masters Jiddu Krishnamurti The Future of Humanity - Jiddu Krishnamurti dialogue with David Bohm (Session 1 of 2)
Masters Jiddu Krishnamurti The Future of Humanity - Jiddu Krishnamurti dialogue with David Bohm (Session 1 of 2) | The Future of Humanity - Jiddu Krishnamurti dialogue with David Bohm (Session 1 of 2) |
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| Sunday, 16 March 2008 | |
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Page 9 of 9 Session 1: Part 9 of 9
Transcript of the Talk
JK: They are creating more and more misery, more and more - the world becoming dangerous, how do you then - what is the point of you and I agreeing, seeing something true? This is what people are asking: what is the point of you and I seeing something to be true and what effect has it? DB: Yes, well it seems to me if we think in terms of the effects... JK: Yes, also it is a wrong question. DB: We are bringing in the very thing which is behind the trouble, time. That is the first response would be we must quickly get in and do something... JK:...do something. DB:...to change the course of events. JK: Therefore form a society, foundation, organization and all the rest of it. DB: But you see our mistake is to do that we must think about something, and that thought is incomplete. We don't really know what is going on and people have made theories about it but they don't know. JK: No, but come down to it: if that is the wrong question, then as a human being, who is mankind, what is my responsibility? DB: Well I think it is the same... JK: Apart from effect and all the rest of it. DB: Yes, we can't look toward effects. But is the same as with 'A' and 'B', that 'A' sees, and 'B' does not - right? JK: Yes. DB: Now suppose 'A' sees something and most of the rest of mankind does not. Then it seems, one could say mankind is in some way dreaming, asleep. JK: It is caught in illusion. DB: Illusion. And the point is that to somehow, if somebody sees something then his responsibility is to help awake the others up - right? To get out of the illusion. JK: That is just it. I mean this has been the problem. That is why the Buddhists have projected the idea of the Bodhisattva, who is compassionate and is the essence of all compassion, and is waiting to save humanity. It sounds nice. It is a happy feeling that there is somebody doing this. But in actuality we won't do anything that is not comfortable, satisfying, secure, both psychologically and physically. DB: Yes, well that is the source of the illusion, basically. JK: How does one make another see all this? They haven't time, they haven't the energy, they haven't even the inclination. They want to be amused. How does one make 'X' see this whole thing so clearly that he says, "All right, I have got it, I will work. And I see I am responsible, I won't be..." and all the rest of it. I think that is the tragedy of those who see and those who don't. Is that over? Is it over Sir? DB: I think it depends on how far we want to go. JK: We have talked an hour. DB: An hour and a half. JK: We will wait now, sit quietly. Finished Sir?
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